Topic started by sridhar (@ 61.1.205.220) on Tue Aug 6 02:48:36 EDT 2002.
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Responses:
- From: ST (@ 64.229.221.58)
on: Tue Aug 6 11:33:24 EDT 2002
VM's future without IR is bright (proven). So the question should be "VM's future without ARR??????????"
- From: plz (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Tue Aug 6 12:49:05 EDT 2002
i still dont get it>>>what went wrong between IR n VM ??can anyone brief me plz??
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.58.21)
on: Tue Aug 6 13:02:26 EDT 2002
Illayraja once said to someone else while VM was sitting next to him..
"Ippollam enna pattu ezudaranga Kannadasan madiri varuma" -
Gradully their relationship fell apart.
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.58.21)
on: Tue Aug 6 13:02:35 EDT 2002
Illayraja once said to someone else while VM was sitting next to him..
"Ippollam enna pattu ezudaranga Kannadasan madiri varuma" -
Gradully their relationship fell apart.
- From: G (@ 129.49.80.187)
on: Tue Aug 6 13:51:22 EDT 2002
Correctdhaane...Raja sonnadhu.....chaya chaya...kaapi dikaashan....ennaya paatu......
Rajave nalla kavinjar......
read his poems....
- From: ST (@ 64.229.221.58)
on: Tue Aug 6 15:12:55 EDT 2002
Why didn't VM bounce back and say
"Ippollam enna music podaranga MSV madiri varuma". That would have made them real friends for many years.
- From: JJ (@ 65.69.59.124)
on: Tue Aug 6 16:48:57 EDT 2002
VM won't lie.
- From: ST (@ 64.229.221.58)
on: Tue Aug 6 17:18:54 EDT 2002
VM makes big lies because once he said that IR is the worst MD in Tamil film history !!
- From: plz@GB (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Wed Aug 7 10:06:04 EDT 2002
thanx JJ...
btw..izzit true ST??
- From: ST (@ 64.229.221.148)
on: Wed Aug 7 11:24:03 EDT 2002
OK plz, I will tell you what really happened. VM was writing majority of the songs for "Kavithai nayam ullavarukaluku mattum". IR did not understand any of these songs (for IR's standard he can only understand "poda poda punnaku" , "poda poda pokkae" type of songs) and got annoyed with VM. Then he went on and openly criticised VM "Ippollam enna pattu ezudaranga Kannadasan madiri varuma". VM got really upset about this (VM knows that IR did not even understand Kannadasan songs and IR criticised him for the sake of putting him down) and decided to beg on the street rather than writing ridiculous songs for IR's crap music. After VM's departure majority of the reputable directors and story writers were unable to create story for IR's pre-made songs had decided to quit IR. These directors rescued VM from the street and made him to write songs for their movies with some unknown persons scoring music. Eventually these unknown MD's & VM went on and grabbed many local & national awards and shown the world what a crap music you get from IR's films.......
- From: STS (@ 12.234.130.220)
on: Wed Aug 7 22:04:07 EDT 2002
ST,
Cut the crap man. Everyone knows about VM. Now ARR ditched him because ARR did not understand the lyrics of VM. Punnaakku thanamaa yaar pesarathu?
- From: STS (@ 12.234.130.220)
on: Wed Aug 7 22:04:17 EDT 2002
ST,
Cut the crap man. Everyone knows about VM. Now ARR ditched him because ARR did not understand the lyrics of VM. Punnaakku thanamaa yaar pesarathu?
- From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98)
on: Thu Aug 8 00:20:42 EDT 2002
dat's a good one STS!!
:))
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Thu Aug 8 02:56:25 EDT 2002
I think VM-IR combo break during 86. IR still continued to be Numero Uno Six years after that break away.
Majority of VM songs are for kavidhai nayam uLLavargaLukku mattum, well i have some reservations to it. After VM-IR break-away a lot of kaviththuvam were exhibited in those DUBBING SONGS (esp. dubbing from telegu films, maama aen vayasu 16, vizhayaada vaa etc etc). Also, i would go ahead and say that MAJORITY of VM songs to ARR were for kavidhai nayam ILLAADAVARGALUKKU mattum. Does it mean that ARR didn't want Kavidhai nayam uLLa songs?
Many songs of VM for IR or ARR are dished out with algorithmic stuff. If it was vaervai, thaavani for IR then it is "X for/of Y" for ARR.
IR has used VM along with many other lyricists in a same film. By that time say mid 80s VM became a popular MD and he started demanding that IR should use only him. He had misunderstandings with IR regarding this. That time IR was also popular. Now it has become a ego clash. Fine, if you feel only you should be used then I will also say that you have to work only for me. If you cannot agree and ridicule my knowledge about my and your forte then whats wrong in me saying "KKD wrote better lyrics". OK man we have clash. Let us not work together. You try to be popular with other MDs with your "kaviththuvam" and let me be popular with my "isaignanam". Let time tell who wins. IR Won the fight. VM went to oblivion after his seperation from IR for atleast six long years. During this period there was no fall of "lyrics standards" in IR songs. After 92 VM could come back NOT BECAUSE OF HIS KAVITHTHUVAM but because of other directors and another MD called ARR. Hadn't these two (other directors and ARR) used VM, VM would have retired from TF. So IMHO, regd TFs, VM is nothing when he is NOT backed by a GREAT MD like IR or ARR.
Compare VM's status between mid-late 80s and early 90s with present status of IR. IR is still SIGNIFICANT (not just in numbers dished out but with the popularity). IR's present time popularity is faaaaaar faaaar better than VM's oblivion period popularity.
After 92, VM came to limelight once again (but as i said the stuff he dished out during this period is inferior than the ones he did during 80s). He could keep his tail under control for at the max 6-8 years. Again started talking some nonsense like "Mr. MD don't put music to suppress MY SONGS, nowadays there is more sound than the voice" kind of remarks (before he worked for Kandukondaen Kandukondaen). And here you go, the most humble, decent, not-big-mouthed MD ARR himself has to feel dejected about too much big-mouthed (kaviththuvamaana) words and has to tell in an interview that, that greatest ever lyricists that world can ever produce would not like any more to work with this USELESS MD.
If VM continues his this kind of kaviththuvam then that is his death knell.
- From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25)
on: Thu Aug 8 03:26:09 EDT 2002
The fact is that ARR depends on VM more than anybody else. That's the reason ARR still bears with VM though the latter publicly criticized ARR for supressing his words with sound in his music.
ARR knows only too well that he "sits on a pallakku" being carried by others like good lyricists, good directors, well known producers and actors. He can't afford to throw out VM(the way IR did).
- From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu Aug 8 03:26:34 EDT 2002
The fact is that ARR depends on VM more than anybody else. That's the reason ARR still bears with VM though the latter publicly criticized ARR for supressing his words with sound in his music.
ARR knows only too well that he "sits on a pallakku" being carried by others like good lyricists, good directors, well known producers and actors. He can't afford to throw out VM(the way IR did).
- From: Speaker (@ 202.95.127.5) on: Thu Aug 8 04:18:40 EDT 2002
VM sariyana jalra party. He honoured himself as kaviperarasu. (kannadasan is kaviyarasu). When Karunanidhi was in power, he could muster lot of support from him. Now he is also out of power and could not demonstrate that he has got a power support, he is trying all his tricks with MD to bend for his demands. If VM goes out then, to some extent jalra saththam kuraiyum. Incidently, there are true greats like pulamaippithan.
- From: unbolding (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Aug 8 04:18:48 EDT 2002
:-)
- From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu Aug 8 03:26:34 EDT 2002
- From: Porumai (@ 202.184.134.8)
on: Thu Aug 8 04:25:43 EDT 2002
The fact is that ARR depends on VM more than anybody else.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct.
That ARR is the best MD not in the South and the North is because of Vairamuthu only. Why stop at that? ARR's successful Bombay Dreams is also becos of VM.
Cheenu deserves an Eintein's prize for discovering this.
- From: Porumai (@ 202.184.134.8)
on: Thu Aug 8 04:26:10 EDT 2002
The fact is that ARR depends on VM more than anybody else.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct.
That ARR is the best MD not only in the South and the North is because of Vairamuthu only. Why stop at that? ARR's successful Bombay Dreams is also becos of VM.
Cheenu deserves an Eintein's prize for discovering this.
- From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25)
on: Thu Aug 8 06:01:27 EDT 2002
Does VM write in North also! I thought we are discussing VM's presence in Tamil films.
Thanks for your prize, Poraamai!
- From: GB (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Thu Aug 8 10:33:37 EDT 2002
haha...things get really kavithuvam here...
porumai...poramai..
both will feel the effect..if they break...
neither will survive..coz publicity had made them as great- perfect combinations...if they break..
MR n BR for dam sure will die as well....
Shankar???oh my god!!he would have pissed in his pants after going through this thread..
- From: ST (@ 64.229.221.174)
on: Thu Aug 8 10:49:58 EDT 2002
IR's big jalra people are spitting a lot of shit' here without making a point. VM has lot of talent so there is no need for him to put jalra to anybody. IR's idiotic fans still thinks that if they can get rid of VM & ARR then IR will be number one again. If IR can survive by giving stupid, crap, ridiculous, irritating music then why do you all think VM won't survive?
- From: Venki (@ 166.102.198.8)
on: Thu Aug 8 11:49:16 EDT 2002
Hi ST I'm forced to respond to a stupidity. Understand, No IR fan wants him to ignore VM. No IR fan compares him to other MDs. Most of the IR fans are good listeners of other MDs too. Though IR does'nt score for a lot of movies as before I'm overwhelmed with his music from Ivan, Kathal saathi, Kaathal Rojave, Time, Kaakai chiraginile, Bharathi etc... (these are just a very few examples in the past couple of years)
Have those who trash IR spent a little time to listen his songs in the recent years, Just once. Not 100 times to appreciate a song.
To me IR's music is 100% music 100% mayakkam. His music heals me, sooths me and keeps me occupied and happy.
- From: ST (@ 64.229.221.174)
on: Thu Aug 8 12:41:25 EDT 2002
GB, MR n BR dam survived when IR & VM breakaway. Its probably you guys will die if IR starts to give good music. Hahahaha.....
- From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101)
on: Thu Aug 8 13:41:44 EDT 2002
I like VairaMuthu's songs very much. He has given very very nice songs. But I will never put him above Kannadhasan.
IMHO I too feel he is rating himself much more than he is.
Vali is equally great too. People like Pulamai Piththan and Panju Arunachalam have written great songs. May be they dont/didnt have much oppurtunities.
Also anyday IR+VM songs will beat ARR+VM songs. I hate this "Pharmacy, take it easy" songs. Also no denying fact that IR songs were much better with Vairamuththu than without him.
I dont like Karunanidhi and Vairamuthu treating each other as though Tamil is surviving becasue of each other. Tamil has survived for 5000 years and I am sure it is going to survice without any one's patronage.
- From: arrfan (@ 63.75.49.120)
on: Thu Aug 8 14:34:41 EDT 2002
VM has survived IR and even eclipsed him,exposed him with the support of ARR. He will also survive withour ARR as he has plenty of support from Bharadwaj,Vidyasagar, Harris etc.
- From: Britto (@ 12.23.133.6)
on: Thu Aug 8 15:34:38 EDT 2002
VM doesn't really depend upon any MDs. If you have read some of his Non-film literary works,you will realize it...
Read these books b4 you talk anything about VM
*Sikarangalai Nokki
*Thanneer Desam
*Vaigarai Megangal
*Kallikkaattu Idhigasam
*Ella nadhiyilum en odam
and several other...
- From: Nijam (@ 161.142.100.86)
on: Thu Aug 8 20:58:04 EDT 2002
Stop talking nonsense.
Where is IR now? Why talk about non-existing fellows? VM jas gone sky high without IR while IR is still on the ground looking up. IN fact he is losing ground rapidly and will go down further soon.
The real contention is whether VM will surivive without ARR.
- From: ? (@ 24.130.233.129)
on: Thu Aug 15 11:26:04 EDT 2002
- From: ? (@ 24.130.233.129)
on: Thu Aug 15 11:26:20 EDT 2002
hi
- From: ? (@ 24.130.233.129)
on: Thu Aug 15 11:29:08 EDT 2002
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