Topic started by mathureshan (@ 213.59.173.47) on Wed Jun 6 08:37:22 EDT 2001.
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guys i think rehmans (sarraku)finished)eg thennali
and star.same time ysr doing a great job.only god can save rehmans market.arr fans what you are going to do?you all want qualty music arr know?what means quality music?copied songs?etc,ets
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- From: UV (@ 134.113.200.48)
on: Wed Jun 6 09:51:36 EDT 2001
Mathureshan
Please give us all a break,dont just start a thread just for some traffic.
There are enough topics in TFM to do the same
please refrain from posting such topics in future.
Guys please dont encourage these kind of threads.
- From: mahesh (@ 202.9.147.27)
on: Wed Jun 6 09:51:50 EDT 2001
it is unfortunate that you do not know what are copied songs.putting one's own tunes twice does not mean copying. putting other's tune amounts to copying. it is a pity that such a fundamental thing is not known to all those who say it is copied. till now 99.99%of the people living in tamil nadu do not know the songs in hindi. the star songs are meant for tamil audience . for us it is new and very good with the emperor singing two excellent songs in the company of voice of music. please do not compare persons of recent origin with stalwarts.
- From: fedup (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Wed Jun 6 10:41:21 EDT 2001
"i think rehmans (sarraku)finished)eg thennali "
they said the same in 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00, 01,
- From: Meendum Ahamed (@ 203.197.133.175)
on: Wed Jun 6 11:06:32 EDT 2001
Alli Arjuna,Parthale Paravasam Lagaan are original scores of the year....
CEE TV Production company had earlier picked up the audio track of Doli Sajake Rakhna for JODI and now other Hindi numbers for Star....ARR was never present fpr any recording sessions of Star...
It is more of Dubbing effect like SAME CEE TV has picked up May Madham songs for Ilove you Hamesha...
ARR THOTTADHU ELLAM...KAASAGUDHU.....A.A.
- From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30)
on: Wed Jun 6 11:38:34 EDT 2001
Ahamed said the bottomline. The cassettes sell just on ARR's name. Producers are not worried about the recycled tunes. They just want ARR's name. I don't think this can be interpreted that ARR has lost his 'sarakku'.
- From: arrfan (@ 203.200.15.20)
on: Wed Jun 6 12:58:08 EDT 2001
Ahmed,doubter-very well said!
ARR is not at all to blame for his recycled tunes!
- From: shaNmugam (@ 63.101.96.1)
on: Wed Jun 6 14:44:04 EDT 2001
for all those who think ARR is finished, listen to 'lagaan' - one of the best albums in recent times.
- From: Uthai Ayya (@ 63.224.65.186)
on: Wed Jun 6 14:57:50 EDT 2001
for all those who think ARR is finished, listen to 'lagaan' - one of the best albums in recent times.
Then you will really stop listening to ARR :-))
- From: Kannan (@ 194.201.128.4)
on: Wed Jun 6 15:08:29 EDT 2001
ARR hasn't had his last say yet.. and it doesn't seem that he is going to in the next few years...
but if u think that he is not to blame for his latest outings.... then i'd be led to beleive that u r badly mistaken... if he is prepared to cash in the same way as these producers then there isn't much difference between a creater and an improvisor..!!
No matter how good a person in what he/she does.. an effort can only be compromised by creativity. but when ARR himself wants to jump in the band wagon as any other MD who is after money and nothing else.... then it wouldn't leave much to be distinguished from a below par MD who is just scraping through!!!!
BUT THEN AGAIN, AREN'T V ALL AFTER MONEY... AND IN THE PROCESS...LOSE OUR DIGNITY??
Thus the question remains to be answered...... why are v debating of ones capability and ability instead of what they had contributed to TFM....
SAD.....!!!! :-((
- From: Maran (@ 203.126.228.21)
on: Thu Jun 7 05:10:11 EDT 2001
Hi Mathuureshan,
Are you stupid? whatever you do to against ARR? it is always great to him. STAR music excellent than songs now a days. Great beat of ARR wounderful in STAR. We love it GREAT.
- From: arul (@ 203.124.2.40)
on: Thu Jun 7 09:10:33 EDT 2001
STAR Songs are excellent now compare to recent tamil songs.
Beautiful rhythm and beat. Very good effort from ARR.
- From: O laganwaale kaise ho tu kitne paise loota? (@ 4.54.221.85)
on: Thu Jun 7 10:38:18 EDT 2001
i listened to lagan, it should be alajabujagunamana
- From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25)
on: Mon Jun 11 04:38:14 EDT 2001
Please don't blame ARR for his recycled tunes. He composes with great difficulty, thorugh cut and paste technology and produces music. He works hard to compose songs. When too much is demanded from him (like more than one film per year), he is forced to recycle his songs. This does not mean that he has lost his sarakku. What ever little he has, he is spending sparingly. And, mind you, he is maintaining international quality. If people demand more from him , let them relaise that the international quality will be lost....
- From: Athi (@ 24.182.219.105)
on: Tue Jun 12 23:55:25 EDT 2001
Raatshashan,
There are some unbiased music lovers in this forum who will be very upset about this thread and will express their ire pretty soon. They are the ones who can wait years together for ARR's international quality music and will get emotional about his ability to recycle his songs seamlessly and will appreciate his hard work for recycling very quickly (in 6 months).
Athi
- From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25)
on: Thu Jun 14 04:12:55 EDT 2001
well said, athi
- From: vc (@ 202.9.181.194)
on: Mon Jun 18 12:58:24 EDT 2001
Leave alone the fact that star songs are recycled.
even if we consider them as fresh songs,there is
nothing great about the songs.Ithaye vera
evnavuthu panniruntha yaarum thirumbi kooda
pathirukka maataanga.I think star is being over
hyped by arr fans.
- From: tga (@ 209.219.209.68)
on: Sat Jun 23 05:48:05 EDT 2001
Cool down guys...
Words from a person worked under IR and ARR.
Guru guru thaan!! Sishyan sishyan thaan!!
See http://www.vikatan.com/av/2001/june/24062001/av0802.htm
- From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189)
on: Sun Jun 24 13:56:05 EDT 2001
Nenthukitten song is good. ARR should be careful while recycling tunes between North and South. It is easy to recycle between Tamil and Telugu as the style (carnatic based) is same. North is different (Hindustani based). Out folk numbers may not be readily accepted in North.
I am sure someone will point 'Inji Induppazhaka..' but the orchestration was slightly changed to suit them.
Take for example, Muqqala was famous than Usilampatti song. The second one more folkish.
Why blame ARR for recycled songs? Because his name is at stake. That is why. He is supposedly the number one in India. So he better be careful and come out of money.
tga,
Great link. I was heartfelt when I read it. ARR fans may not like it though :(
- From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189)
on: Sun Jun 24 13:57:35 EDT 2001
Oops. Instead both IR and ARR fans should be happy reading this. It says for IR, ARR and KR are children both learnt from IR. I would like to hear this from IR/ARR.
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Mon Jun 25 13:11:44 EDT 2001
STS:
>>>I am sure someone will point 'Inji Induppazhaka..' but the orchestration was slightly changed to suit them.
you know what, all these days I thought that AM had used only this song to suit in hindi style for his viraasat film. I thought, for this one song alone, which he claims is his original, I have been not so critical. This weekend in MTV I saw an other song from that film which was an exact copy of "Raakku muththu raakku". BA Anu malik has again given a copied stuff. Had anybody knew this before?
- From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.168)
on: Mon Jun 25 14:04:35 EDT 2001
tga,
Thanks for the link. But isn't it curious that you picked the "Guru guruthaan" statement and left out the "Rehman Ilayarajavirku pillai maathiri" statement. It's amazing that such love and respect exists among musicians but the fans will only focus on the divisive aspects.
- From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12)
on: Mon Jun 25 15:31:06 EDT 2001
can i ask just one question:
IR did music for sadma . The movie was redone in entirety by BM. SO why did IR not compose different songs but just slightly alter the existing ones.
Can I call that recycled????
hey! in this buisiness he will do original music to producers first in the queue with big bucks... with tye others who want quick work he offers his hindi music for recycling largely unheard among tamil audience...its the producrs choice of taking it...
why blame ARR?? he gets $ for no work done????
Athi & Ratchasaan = biased + HC IRF
- From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189)
on: Mon Jun 25 23:30:20 EDT 2001
Common Friend,
Anand-Milind made their lives in HFM by lifting many many IR tunes. Surprising you did not hear them.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Tue Jun 26 03:40:03 EDT 2001
STS
i think "AM" from CF's mouth indicates AnuMalick, i think, you took it as Anand-Milind.
Or did i wrongly understood ur point?
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Tue Jun 26 05:05:59 EDT 2001
So, when IR used his Tamil songsm truned in Hindi for the Hindi Kb movie, no one complained, but when ARR does it, everyone has a problem. In the IR music one, it was a K Balachandar film I think - EK PREM KAHANI or something like that. It had the Jhonny song, Kaatril Endhan Geedham as Nena Bole Nena.... Where was IR copied when this was done? When it was a rare Hindi film for IR, he could have composed original songs, why didn't he?
- From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12)
on: Tue Jun 26 11:49:00 EDT 2001
nameless DF poster,
good one! sabash! sariyana potti!
- From: NagaS (@ 63.109.248.53)
on: Tue Jun 26 11:59:54 EDT 2001
>>>> When it was a rare Hindi film for IR, he could have composed original songs, why didn't he?
Good Question 'Anamika'Ji :-)
NagaS
- From: Deepak (@ 146.235.4.20)
on: Tue Jun 26 13:14:02 EDT 2001
Some one had posted that Anu Malik proclaimed himself as a genius when he got the national award... Does anyone have a link to that interview?? Sounds interesting :)
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Tue Jun 26 13:49:40 EDT 2001
No link. But, I saw that interview in star news channel. He said that and he said that after receiving NA this year, he is the ONLY LIVING ORIGINAL COMPOSER in India. He said that NA proves that.
AM ==Anu Malik.
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133)
on: Tue Jun 26 18:04:05 EDT 2001
Listen to the songs, appreciate the ones you like.
Watch movies, praise them for their acting, creativity, but remember,
these guys are paid big bucks for their work and lots of fame/attention. Its their job, their not making music for free!
I'm talking abt IR/ARR/SAR/KR/YVR, EVERYONE!!! [i'm being neutral here, no sides]
So, its pointless wasting our time on who is better, etc.
Be in love with the music, don't go all freaky over the people behind them b/c the world revolves around 'dough' so people will change but the songs wont.....it lives on
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.241)
on: Tue Jun 26 19:11:30 EDT 2001
~~arochordidae~~ ..pullarikuthu. unga per "aristotle"-nu maathikonga..:-))
- From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133)
on: Tue Jun 26 19:28:11 EDT 2001
hmm...compliment or dis???
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Wed Jun 27 00:13:23 EDT 2001
Its a good compliment....well said Aristotle sorry Arochordidae :)
- From: sundar (@ 203.197.144.217)
on: Wed Jun 27 01:15:26 EDT 2001
ARR has the advantage of simaltaneous or production of a tamil movie in different languages by the same director/same producer so that there is no problem in dubbing/remaking the songs.
Where as IR's numbers were lifted either for remake in hindi or a diffeent movie itself.
Inji Iduppazhaga is an example of Blatant copying by AM without even acknowledging IR's original score. Infact as early as in 1983'ILaya nila' from PayanangaL Mudivadhillai' was largely copied with a slight change in the rhythm.
I do ot know why IR has chosen not take any action on these.
- From: sundar (@ 203.197.144.217)
on: Wed Jun 27 01:18:58 EDT 2001
ARR has the advantage of simaltaneous or production of a tamil movie in different languages by the same director/same producer so that there is no problem in dubbing/remaking the songs.
Where as IR's numbers were lifted either for remake in hindi or a diffeent movie itself.
Inji Iduppazhaga is an example of Blatant copying by AM without even acknowledging IR's original score. Infact as early as in 1983'ILaya nila' from PayanangaL Mudivadhillai' was largely copied with a slight change in the rhythm spoiling the the mood created by the masterpiece original. there are many more examples not only in hindi but also in othr languages.
I do ot know why IR has chosen not take any action on these.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Wed Jun 27 02:16:59 EDT 2001
sundar,
i remember reading/listening to one IR interview in 80s. in that the interviewer asked this question why no action against copying of your tunes by other language MDs. For that IR said (something like), I don't have time to do things like this.
But, Generally in our country, successful MDs were not concerned much about their tunes usage by other language MDs. These successful MDs were(have and had been) generous in this aspect, IMHO.
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