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Topic started by RV (@ adsl-216-103-212-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) on Thu Jun 15 01:28:35 EDT 2000.
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There are three types of male voices I see in TFM.

1. The all rounder group: These people sing in high pitch, low pitch whatever. Have good voice modulation and their voices fit many actors. e.g. TMS, SPB, MV

2. The soft voice group: These people cant change their voices that much. But the voices are so sweet that they they become quite popular. AMR, PBS, KJJ are examples.

3. The niche voice group: These people cant change their voices either. But their voices are identified as suitable in a niche e.g. Seergazhi for worshipful songs, Chandra Babu for a westernish voice, Shahul Hameed for a "jolly" song, Deva for a gana song etc. It is very difficult for these guys to break out of this mould. Seergazhi was the most successful perhaps; but the identification took place sometime in 60s and after that he was also typecast.

Are there other groups? Do you guys think all male singers can be characterized in these groups?

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Responses:

• From: RV (@ adsl-216-103-212-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) on: Thu Jun 15 01:29:22 EDT 2000
  
  The reason I dont talk about female voice types is my inability to distinguish between voices very well. I still get confused between the voices of PS and SJ!
  
  
• From: RV (@ adsl-216-103-212-166.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) on: Thu Jun 15 01:30:09 EDT 2000
  
  And of course, you are welcome to talk about female singers!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Jun 15 11:25:08 EDT 2000
  
  RV: If you really want people to discuss on this topic, you have to go the extra step- please try to categorize IR and ARR's voice (also compare with Deva's voice). Let the games begin:-)
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Thu Jun 15 13:17:40 EDT 2000
  
  Fast, Westernised numbers : L.R.Easwari, anupama, anuradha sriram
  
  Accented songs : Sadana sargam, Asha Bhosle
  
  Folk numbers which require somewhat masculine and husky voice : malgudi subha, Kollangudi, theni kunajraama, manorama and others
  
  Songs with more emotional appeal : Swaranalatha
  
  Songs with predominant classical content : Nityasree, kalyani menon
  
  Universal all-rounder category : PS, SJ, Sujatha, Chitra
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.119) on: Thu Jun 15 13:23:47 EDT 2000
  
  RV
  Are you serious about Malaysia Vasudevan in your category 1?
  As for as Deva is concerned , i suggest you add another category 'nIch' type(after your niche) and add voices of IR,Deva and ARR in there:-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.200) on: Fri Jun 16 01:35:20 EDT 2000
  
  People like HH, UK, UM, DC can be added to the `soft-voice' group...
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Fri Jun 16 02:41:42 EDT 2000
  
  Rameshb - and pray tell me why not MVasu?
  I certainly enjoy many of his songs and he HAS modulated his voice for Sivaji, Kamal, Rajani, etc. etc.
  Eduththu naan vidaa en list-ai tho tho thozhaa :-))
  
  
• From: puyal (@ seoul35.slip.yorku.ca) on: Fri Jun 16 13:39:20 EDT 2000
  
  Here's something that will help.
  
  Unnikrishnan writes articles for this site.
  
  http://www.induslive.com/tamil/tamil.cfm
  
  In this article he talks about the difference between female and male voices.
  
  http://www.induslive.com/tamil/unni2.cfm
  
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.45) on: Fri Jun 16 14:24:01 EDT 2000
  
  NOV
  poongARRu thirumbumA is rendered in his (MV) natural bass voice. For kamal, he modulated for aha vanthiruchchu.. which is no big deal for a whimsical number like that. He has ruined so many melodies with his insipid expressions and he is no class singer to be grouped with legendary singers like SPB and TMS. His voice suits only for songs like pattu kOttai ammALu.. and aasai nooru vagai etc.
  
  
• From: mahA (@ 208.201.103.3) on: Fri Jun 16 14:47:35 EDT 2000
  
  rameshb
  
  How about
  hey rAsAthi from ennuyir thozhan and thanga changili from thUral ninnu pOchu
  
  
• From: mahA (@ 208.201.103.3) on: Fri Jun 16 14:47:54 EDT 2000
  
  rameshb
  
  How about
  hey rAsAthi from ennuyir thozhan and thanga changili from thUral ninnu pOchu
  
  
• From: Murali Rangan (@ apollo.pointbase.com) on: Fri Jun 16 16:57:34 EDT 2000
  
  rameshb
  
  How about 'Kodai kaalak kaatre' from Panneer Pushpangal? How about 'Indha minikku kannil enna' from Sigappu Rojakkal? There are so many in late 70's and early 80's I guess!
  
  - Murali
  
  
• From: Murali Rangan (@ apollo.pointbase.com) on: Fri Jun 16 16:58:54 EDT 2000
  
  Closing italics
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw3-o.oracle.com) on: Fri Jun 16 17:01:05 EDT 2000
  
  and how about - 'indha minminikku kannil oru minnal vandhadhu' ( sigappu rOjAkkal) and 'oru thanga radhathil' ( dharma yudham) ??
  
  Rameshb,
  
  can u give a list of melodies he has RUINED??
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.45) on: Fri Jun 16 17:20:10 EDT 2000
  
  closing italics
  
  The sweetest of melodies like kovil maNi Osai, poove iLAya poove , aagAya gangai all lacking righteous expressions. Oru thanga rathaththil has been killed with his hurly-burly expressions , you need SPB there. Most of his duets with SJ are revered singlehandedly by SJ.
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Fri Jun 16 17:24:30 EDT 2000
  
  Murali Rangan, all those songs you have listed are good songs. Period. MV's contribution or "contribution" ,fortunately could not affect the overall quality of the songs. Thangachchangili...is no exception and kodai kaala kaatre..., imagine SPB singing it . Would sound wonderful wouldn't it ? Listen to the way he sings the charanam with a pretentious, "husky" tone and ends up singing like Major Sundarrajan. Intha minminikku is a great song and the only reason we are listening to it still is because we have got used to MV singing it.
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.45) on: Fri Jun 16 17:36:40 EDT 2000
  
  SL
  very rightly said.., romba sariyA chonnInga :-)
  
  
• From: sl fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Jun 16 17:38:54 EDT 2000
  
  
  he sings the charanam with a pretentious, "husky" tone and ends up singing like Major Sundarrajan
  
  -- only the english translation for the lines were missing :)
  
  
  
  the only reason we are listening to it still is because we have got used to MV singing it.
  
  :))
  
  sl in full form....
  
  
• From: sl fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Jun 16 17:42:45 EDT 2000
  
  
  
  Rameshb - and pray tell me why not MVasu?
  I certainly enjoy many of his songs and he HAS modulated his voice for Sivaji, Kamal, Rajani, etc. etc.
  
  Nov sir, I feel the only reason you are supporting MV is because your IP has a .my suffix...ur kAranai utu kuduka mudiyumA...:)))
  
  
  
  
• From: NOV (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my) on: Fri Jun 16 21:25:41 EDT 2000
  
  Oops! Ithu engeyoa poaivittathu :-))
  Guys, I never said that MVasu is of the same material as TMS and (God forbid) SPBala!
  Some of you like his voice and some of you don't. Period. We will leave it at that. But we should not argue on facts. That he modulates his voice is a fact: Aananda theingaatru thaalaattuthey, Kaathal vandhirichu, Aalaanaalum aalu, Raajaa raani jaakki, Maappilaikku maaman manasu, Enni irundhadhu eedera, Podhuvaaga emanasu thangam, Aasai kiliyey barla barla, Endrendrum aanandhame, Alli thandha boomi, KOththamalli poove, Thoappil oru naadagam, Neengatha ennam ondru, Madhana moaga rooba Sundari, Daddy daddy, Sattam oru iruttarai, Maasamoa maargazhi maasam, koodaiyile karuvaadu, Paruvakaalangalin kanavu, Vaan megangale, Nadaiya maaththu, Pattu vanna rosaavaam..... innum eththanaiyoa, eththanaiyoa......
  
  Rameshb - Koavil manioasai, nalla ille endru sonnaal, andha Aandavanukke adukkumaa? :-)))
  
  Oor kaaranai vittukodukkavillai endru ninaippathu thavaru. Are you saying every Coimbatorean should like Koavai Sarala? :-))
  In fact Malaysia artistes niraya peyergal irukkindraargal, from those days Ravichandran to present day Sarathkumar. But, adhu vere vishayam.
  
  Anyway to bring back the discussion to topic, I wish to stress that Malaysia Vasudevan should be in the catgory of singers who modulate their voices.
  I can also firmly add that next to TM Sounderarajan, only Malaysia Vasudevan can sing for Sivaji. And not even SPBala or KJJ can come close to him here! :-))))))
  
  
• From: Jay Narayanasamy (@ 1cust186.tnt23.bos2.da.uu.net) on: Fri Jun 16 23:11:21 EDT 2000
  
  Waht about "Nila Kayuthu nEram nalla nERam" :-)
  
  
• From: Neel (@ ts006d36.har-ct.concentric.net) on: Sat Jun 17 00:02:50 EDT 2000
  
  I really like his songs like AgAya gangai, vA vA vasanthamE, pattuvaNNa rOsA, poongAtru thirumbumA. Cannot imagine anybody else singing poongAtru or his other songs from mudhal mariyAdhai. Will take the maturity in age and the country feel away. I think his voice did not suit for pattukkOttai ammALu (what a lousy tune) or Asai nooru vagai.
  As for typing his voice, I will let you guys do it.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ dedicated-149.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Sat Jun 17 01:27:15 EDT 2000
  
  rameshB, SL...
  MV may be no patch on SPB, but at that time only a few like him, Jayachandran, and an odd Krishnachander or Deepan C were there to break the monotony of SPB and KJY. Yes, I'm with you on 'poove ilaye poove', but as has been pointed out his voice had a certain rustic flavour to it that suited the Mudhal Mariyadhai kind of films to a T.
  And again, I honestly think that his "alli thandha bhoomi (Nandu)" is up there with the all-time greats..
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.205) on: Sat Jun 17 01:34:45 EDT 2000
  
  Oh! I thought Kamal himself sang that song...`annakkiLiyE, pathrakALi, chittukkuruvi, kavarimAnE...':-)
  
  Is it MV? (long forgotten)...I'm sure the pathos version is by MV, but sure the happy one is not KH himself?
  
  
• From: RV (@ c660409-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) on: Sat Jun 17 12:36:06 EDT 2000
  
  My 0.02 $ worth on MV:
  
  MV is no SPB/TMS. But he is a good second level singer who did try to modulate his voice. There was a time in late seventies and early eighties when the combination of IR/GA as writer/MV combination produced great songs. I will leave it to individual judgement on whether MV succeeded in voice modulation experiments and his contribution to the IR phenomena.
  
  
• From: RV (@ c660409-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) on: Sat Jun 17 12:41:59 EDT 2000
  
  Taking a tangent here;
  
  Seergazhi: Niche voice for Ganeer songs, Asareeri songs, godly songs philosophical songs. (Used as a all rounder early in his career.)
  TMS: All rounder
  TL: ?
  AMR: Soft voice
  PBS: Soft voice
  KJJ: Soft voice
  SPB: All rounder (but was used a niche voice for youthful songs early in his career - till IR's arrival)
  MV: All rounder
  Chandrababu: Niche
  Jayachandran: ?
  IR: ?
  MSV: Seergazhi kinda niche
  Kamal: ?
  Hariharan: Used as an allrounder, but not really one.
  Krishnaraj: Ganaish,rustic kinda songs.
  Shahul Hameed: Jolly?
  TRajendar: The less said,the better.
  CS Jayaraman: Niche. I think his voice is perfect for Muhari raga.
  
  
  
• From: yErkenavEy enakku romba ketta pEr! (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Mon Jun 19 11:18:29 EDT 2000
  
  UK: For both hero and heroine:-))
  
  
• From: : yErkenavEy enakku romba ketta pEr - the first (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon Jun 19 12:27:13 EDT 2000
  
  Mr.yerkp!
  
  thevaiYa!
  
  pavam uK.....do you agree that UK sings much better than your sishyan's another guru.
  
  :)))
  
  
  
  

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