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are websites hosting (real audio)/mp3 music of (new) albums good for the music industry ?

Topic started by saregamaremix (@ 206.165.164.100) on Tue Nov 5 18:03:50 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Though this topic is not related to tamizh film music alone, i think that in this day and age, it is very pertinent.

With the mohankumars and tamilbeats of the .com world, uploading new music within days of the release - it is almost unchecked piracy !!
it would still be ok if these were teasers/trailers.. but the complete audio !!

a case of technology getting ahead of law making & regulation, in the days the world is shrinking by the day...

this activity is crippling the audio industry and affecting almost all musicians and recording industry..

i think that the audio industry and law makers of the country/world should take measures for negating the effect by various means..

i would think that it should also be possible to
regulate by legalizing and selling 'internet rights of audio' - which could inturn be made available to public via pay-to-own/pay-per-hear fees..

i think the indian audio industry should especially tap into this market too, as this could be a major foreign exchange earner due
to the nature of demographic distribution of
non resident indians...

sincere views and opinions on this, hopefully,
from some of the webmasters of sites hosting mp3s too would be greatly appreciated !!

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Responses:

• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Tue Nov 5 22:42:55 EST 2002
  
  saregamaremix, I agree with the topic. It is an offence to post entire song with out getting permission. Some for marketing, film producer can give clipping to websites to promote. There is a procedure available for pay-per-hear basis for authorised users. While giving the sample clip producer can give differnt portion of the song to multiple website. So a die-hard fan can go from site to site to get full details. This would be legally correct as well. But one thing to be considered is these sites help to spread out the words about the album which is far reaching than any media advertisement.
  
  
• From: mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Wed Nov 6 00:42:29 EST 2002
  
  one can never get rid of piracy ..better will be the audio companies coming up with some really cheap offerings in internet ....
  or u can offer just teh streaming and not teh download facility as raaga.com does
  
  
• From: saregamaremix (@ 206.165.164.100) on: Tue Nov 12 15:59:10 EST 2002
  
  its a pity..
  thought this would be a bit thought provoking..
  
  music industry would die a slow death, if this is not rectified soon..
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Wed Nov 13 00:54:14 EST 2002
  
  I think few years back a vigorous debate on this issue here led to some corrective attempts; if I remember right, Rex Arul (maybe some others too) disbanded his songs site (a stupendous collection) in deference to the majority wishes. Yes, there surely is no place for such blatant piracy and this is certainly eating into a potentially significant forex earner for Indian music companies.
  
  I had thought then that the audio companies would sit up and take notice of the exciting revenue streams possible on the web, and move there quickly. Several years later, despite the web and IT by itself becoming less intimidating, more accessible and affordable, Indian music companies are still frogs in the well, oblivious to the evolving market outside.
  
  I certainly believe that there is a strong case for people living in evolved IFM markets such as US, UK or even Australia to actually go out and buy the albums; it might be a question of time delay, but surely the distribution reach is there except for some rare albums or those out of the commercial loop. What would a person living in say, Finland or China, do? Here is where a pay-per-download or even a basic international shopping model could come in and ease the purchase. Surely, the Indian diaspora outside has buying clout that can support a half-decent web venture.
  
  The problem I see is more fundamental; Indian music companies are the least market-savvy and exist only because the industry happens to be unorganised and in a permanent state of chaos. They have no value for intellectual property nor the foresight to see a larger business prospect domestically, leave alone international. Take companies such as HMV, Inreco; their archives must be bursting at their seams with great albums. How often has one seen an intelligent attempt at marketing film combos or assorted collections? I've rarely come across a decently assembled collection that has uniformly good songs. This is precisely why the cassette (and now CD) (re)recording market has flourished in TN for decades. If the supply doesn't meet demand, the consumer looks for alternative channels, and I believe that in a free market no body or force can plug this leak.
  
  I was the other day going talking to a friend in All India Radio about their archives. The commercial value that is lying locked there is stupendous. Atleast, they are a public service broadcaster and can claim to not be commercially-driven. Even as I strongly oppose piracy in any form, I think as long as these companies remain sloppy, technology-indifferent and market-ignorant, they deserve to bleed. Sadly, the musicians at the other end of the supply chain suffer in the process by unpaid royalties.
  
  
• From: a Musican (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Wed Nov 13 10:00:01 EST 2002
  
  Suresh, good posting
  yes big companies like hmv, sony are struggling to control this menance. They are trying their best, Basically in India, first there was an out break of pirated audio tapes, our govt. was just sleeping did not do anything, now there is an out break of mp3 cds. you can buy in any music shop about 50 movies in one cd - about 120-150 songs. There are also shops who can customize this for you, you can choose the movies. About 60-70% of the market are eaten away by these underground rats and moles.
  There are also collectors of these songs in their hard disks, they sell this as a package for 20,000rs you get almost all the tamil songs in last 50 years. Still govt is sleeping.
  
  Audio companies suffer a lot , but it is the musicians who suffer more than anyone else. Trust me, they still do music just for sake of staying alive.
  
  
  1. Govt has to bring strict legislation to curb this.
  2. People has to be respect musicians. People are distributing musicians creativity for free.
  3. Use technology to stop this, like DVD zonal codes audio will be done soon, British compaines have already comeout with a cds which is encoded, if this is loaded into a special software, this will contain the serial number to whom it was sold and can be traced.
  
  There are many who talk non-senses by publishing songs in their website just to earn banner click thrus, for them , how would you feel if someone takes away money from your income just like that?
  - "Thirudana pathu thrindhavittal thirutu oziyadu"
  
  Audio industry is going into dust in tamil nadu- the only reason it is still alive is because Taml music is coupled with movies. Hence the loss is kept low. Still it is loss.
  
  

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