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Whose Music Wins the Hearts of Poor Rural People? Ofcourse IR!

Topic started by manidhan (@ 141.149.239.205) on Mon May 26 14:13:48 EDT 2003.
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When it comes to the rural Tamil Nadu, IR is definitely the only musician who has captured the hearts of millions of laborers, farmers, workers who are poor and dpend on the distant tea shop radio for their musical pleasures!!

I cannot imagine these people saying "Wow jack and Jill! excellent song. great experimentation with percussion chords."

IR is the only man who can consistently inspire these poor hearts and fill them with joy with his simlple yet harmonically intricate music.

What do you guys think. People who are brought up on rich dad's money eating pizza and drinking coke please stay away from this thread. this is for those whose hearts go with the poor people of our great Tamil Nadu!

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Responses:

• From: Speaker (@ 203.125.142.128) on: Mon May 26 21:25:21 EDT 2003
  
  This is perfectly true. This is the greatness of IR. It could be grand and techie for Musicians yet simple melody for masses. One MD who could match this Salid Da. There is already a thread in newtfmpage. IR is one MD whose name when it comes on credit page, claps and whistle blow thru the roof. How many local discussion happen on IR song with whatever little knowledge available. example, for Vithehi kathirunthal, some friends enjoy the intricacies of "Enriku aenitha anandame", "Azhagu malarada", while others talks great of "Kathirunthu".
  One measure of such things, relish the songs for ever. IR songs are many many many in this regard.
  
  
• From: R (@ 128.119.241.196) on: Mon May 26 22:35:13 EDT 2003
  
  Duplicate entry deleted!
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.249) on: Tue May 27 00:19:09 EDT 2003
  
  "Whose Music Wins the Hearts of Poor Rural People? Ofcourse IR!"
  
  Kelviyum neeye, bathilum neeye...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 65.138.35.45) on: Tue May 27 01:04:15 EDT 2003
  
  Well, I'm one of those country brutes:-))
  
  
• From: jakku (@ 147.129.99.182) on: Tue May 27 14:39:23 EDT 2003
  
  I cannot agree more with you on this!
  
  IR's simple melody is what the rural people connect with. When we demeaningly say "Dappanguthu" shit, let us remember that what appears to be "sgit" to our ears is in pulse with the culture of these poor rural people. What right do we have to say that these people's music (as in folk, dappanguthu) is crap???
  
  
  
• From: Theivam (@ 192.128.167.68) on: Tue May 27 15:44:14 EDT 2003
  
  "What do you guys think. People who are brought up on rich dad's money eating pizza and drinking coke please stay away from this thread. this is for those whose hearts go with the poor people of our great Tamil Nadu!"
  
  What has this to do with IR's music ?. You could have just said about his music being appreciated more by rural people than anybody else's. Why do you wanna mention about moral issues like 'Rich dad , eating pizza and living on father's money...' kinda stuff to appreciate IR's music. It sounds like as if all people who cant appreciate his music would be morally bad ??
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Tue May 27 17:03:57 EDT 2003
  
  Hi,
  
  IR first brought the rural music like annakkili and western music in movie like Payanangal mudivathillai in tamil.Later on he added carnatic also in his music like sindu bhairavi,mohamul.
  
  See the music in modern culture like AGNI NATCHATRAM,ANJALI.
  
  IR was successful not only in rural but in modern society,and among the traditional musician.
  
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.151.77) on: Tue May 27 20:46:27 EDT 2003
  
  I'm one of those country brutes too. (Actually I am a country softy):-))
  
  
• From: manidhan (@ 141.149.239.163) on: Tue May 27 21:46:14 EDT 2003
  
  Mr. Theivam
  
  you have misunderstood my comment. I am sure you will agree with me that there are some kids who are so spoilt on parent's money that they have not seen kashtam(troubles). To those kids when you say something supportive of poor village people, they will ask something like who cares if villagers are pleased or not. Who cares if poor people are pleased or not becos they cant afford music anyway. To stop those people from writing ugly comments like "ghetto-brutes" "country-brats" I said they may as well just stay out of this thread.
  
  Please do not mistake me. I never intend to say that people who hate IR's music are immoral. People who name-call poor people and ridicule their mere existence as fans in the TFM world are for sure immoral.
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.104) on: Wed May 28 03:57:25 EDT 2003
  
  How are urban poor not similar to rural poor? Are there not more people in ghettos than in rural areas? Certainly so in the west.
  
  Are these the same rural people who are said to be the most ardent practicers of the caste system and oppress outcastes? As someone who is from a ghetto, I am most suspicious of rural people and their ways.
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Wed May 28 04:13:17 EDT 2003
  
  Is there a virtue being made of "being poor or being rural!" I'd say VENGAYAM:-)
  
  
• From: poondu (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Wed May 28 04:35:24 EDT 2003
  
  & i would say seeeragam :)
  
  
• From: pakkiri (@ 147.129.99.182) on: Wed May 28 14:52:39 EDT 2003
  
  There is no virtue, but this thread clearly says IR's music consistently inspires the poor rural people.
  
  If that bothers you, dont post
  
  
• From: pennathur (@ 12.46.179.254) on: Wed May 28 15:36:25 EDT 2003
  
  I thought only politicians talk big and vazha-vazha kozha-kozha in the name of the rural poor. Now IR-bhaktars have joined them!? The rural urban divide (for those of us who came late) disappeared in India about 30 years back with the proliferation of Vividh Bharati. IR's so called "rural music" is a lot of souped up orchestral pieces (that incidentally sound v.v.v.good! no doubt). For instance "vaadai vattuthu, oru porvai kekkuthu" from Kozhi Koovuthu is a rehash of the more civilised "Chittiram Pesuthadi". Of course that leaves "enna paattu pada, enna taaLam pOda"! The choral sequence in "Raman ANdAlum" in MuLLum Malarum was whacked from a song in a Padma Subrahmanyam's ballets. It was a big controversy when it happened and Padma Sub. was pretty mad about it - IR apparently lifted the number courtesy Padma's brother Ramji who used to play the drums for IR. IR those days being at his regal best wouldn't of course give interviews on the subject! Rural folk and urban folk listen to the same music with no unease whatsoever. Years back when I was passing thru Theni and Kambam one afternoon I kept hearing PEttai Rap and Mukkala Mukabla from every tea-kadai on the route! Truly rustic numbers are difficult to appreciate unless you participate in them - V'lakshmi Navaneethakrishnan's music isn't very popular out here is it? Watch Ray's Aagantuk - there's a great Santhali song in it. Let's not romanticise the rural folk who hate to be straitjacketed like that. IR himself is one of those rural folk who broke out of the rural dead end and decided to go urban with a vengeance and how!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed May 28 15:56:39 EDT 2003
  
  whats your point pennathur ?
  
  
• From: pakkiri (@ 147.129.99.182) on: Wed May 28 16:38:19 EDT 2003
  
  "Sendhoora poove". I can still hear this song in village tea shops.
  
  The point is that some of us feel that a particular song by IR is so "Dubba" (or too rustic). We should however realise that the same song might be appealing to the rural masses who enjoy folk.
  
  Example: "Oru Gundumani" from Avatharam sounds too "loical and rustic" to our chennai padippaalis! But trust me that song is true to heart to people who appreciate tamil nadu gramiya kalai ( I am one of the patrons)
  
  IR has been bold enough to chirn out these folk songs even when people including his own fans have criticised him for being too "gappanguthu" and composing too many "dubba" songs. He has boldy ignored those criticisms and has continued to compose those songs becos he knows the heart of a rural man.
  
  Latest IR rural delivery: Jakamma from Solla Marantha Kathai
  
  
• From: pennathur (@ 12.46.179.254) on: Wed May 28 17:26:05 EDT 2003
  
  The music market is segmented in many different ways; age, gender, language, lifestyle, location etc. Of all these lines, the rural-urban divide is the haziest and the most hyped up. In fact much of "rural music" isn't even rural to begin with as I have pointed out. Take a violin sonata and change its beat - Hey presto! you have a graamiya paadal! In that respect Gaana Paattu is authentic because it is a genuinely created art form rather than being a clever knock-off being passed off as a folk-art form
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Wed May 28 17:38:37 EDT 2003
  
  Pennathur, seriously ,what problem do you have when some of us like IR's rural, folk songs?
  'vaadai vaatudu' is no where near chithiram pesuthadi. You seem to be taking lots of pains to convince IR's music is not up to the mark. Fine, that is just your perception.You start ARR bhajanmandali. Who stops you?Isn't this a free for all DF?
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.105) on: Wed May 28 20:43:52 EDT 2003
  
  thanx pennathur, for your explanation. Western music is also divided by urban and rural music, and the two almost never have the same audience.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Wed May 28 20:50:15 EDT 2003
  
  Pennathur, your post is equally VV & KK (Vazha*2, Kozha*2). You missed your one of your standard point : You met ARR before 10 years.
  Muqabla song - Amazed by your "Gramiyap" padal reference.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed May 28 22:23:47 EDT 2003
  
  Pennathur..how much ever I like IR's music I am never tempted to respond to some posters here who personally attack him and disparage his music. But it is the kind of prevarication and sophistry of apparently experts in music whose faint praise of sincere artistes which attract my attention. Anyways..I should let go of this..
  
  Folk music is OUR music, carnatic music is OUR music ..Folk/Carnatic is just a distinction between the rural/urban or the masses and elite. The rich having suppressed and oppressed the masses use their ill-gotten time and wealth to sing praises of the god with music in fine language and adorn the statues with gold and precious stones :) :) The masses use it in simple form to sing about their loved and dear ones ..(the gods have deceived them anyways :))
  Was just listening to 'aathaadai paavadai kaathaada' song.. typical folk beat (including the standard fare of double-entendre lyrics!!) but you will have all the classical gamakam, brighas and niravals !!!! More later.
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Thu May 29 00:54:43 EDT 2003
  
  Kiru,
  Are you clubbing carnatic with urban then you've got it all wrong. Carnatic music flourished in the tanjore delta . the moment it came to chennai sabhas it has shrunk.
  so carnatic music is also a true rural music.
  Kapput goes your theory.
  
  
• From: MusicLover (@ 195.92.67.71) on: Thu May 29 01:02:49 EDT 2003
  
  No.. Michael Jackson has won the hearts of these rural ppl ;)
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.103) on: Thu May 29 02:46:39 EDT 2003
  
  Kiru, of course it is all Tamil music, which explains why so many Tamil MDs use so much WESTERN sounds. Even Illyaraja uses western classical and pop styles in his music.
  
  
• From: arr fan (@ 219.65.149.160) on: Thu May 29 14:00:49 EDT 2003
  
  arr
  
  
• From: arr is gone (@ 141.149.237.56) on: Thu May 29 18:33:09 EDT 2003
  
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• From: arr is gone (@ 141.149.237.56) on: Thu May 29 18:33:40 EDT 2003
  
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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu May 29 20:30:35 EDT 2003
  
  vengayam..(what a name !!) I extended the masses/elite divide to rural/urban. Carnatic music, as evidenced, by the number of telugu/kannada compositions flourished in the courts of these non-tamil kings ruling tamil lands.
  Outsider, if your point was sarcasm, I dont see you have one. There is nothing wrong in using Western music along with our music. Tamil literature documents the use of yazh and flute in a contrapuntal arrangement. But you dont see this in our classical music, but surely in western classical music. Whats wrong if our MDs use counterpoints now ? We need to keep advancing our music, by also borrowing from other cultures.
  
  

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