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How to rank Music Directors? How to rank Music Directors?

Topic started by Uthaman (@ 65.69.44.241) on Fri May 31 12:18:29 EDT 2002.
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Is there any basis on which we can rank the music directors?
1)Number of movies he scores in a given period of time
2)Number of hit songs given in a period of time
3)Being Recognized outside your native place
4)Ability to compose songs with great diversity

IR satisfies all the four requirements. He was dominating the 80's. Apart from T.Rajendar and likes of Sankar Ganesh, MSV and ChandraBose there was none to compete with him. Infact he clearly outnumbered all his competitors put together. 80% his songs were hits. He composed both Carnatic and Folks with equal felicity. He was recognized all over country. Let us see how ARR fares. As far as competition goes, Deva has outnumbered him. Sure ARR has scored some nice songs over a period of 10 years. But how many? The biggest achievment in ARR's life is his work was recognized all over India. ARR is still falling short when it comes to composing lively folks music. So when you look into these factors ARR is not even no.1 nowadays as i see Harris Jeyaraj, Bharadwaj and whole bunch new MDs compete equally.
The reason is ARR takes a very long time to compose his songs. I disagree with the fact that ARR is wizkid or wizard or whatever. I agree he is a hard worker. Defenitely genius title belongs to IR as he took very little time to compose tunes.

Responses:

From: endru thanium in tha arr bashing :) (@ 209.130.217.104) on: Fri May 31 13:12:36 EDT 2002

can we add number of fans ? :)
or can we change the topic to How to rank Music Directors other then IR?
:):)
uttam sir, you have clearly told IR dominated, no one could compete with him etc etc how did you rank him, the answer is simple ....every ranking here is done by personal choice,

The biggest achievment in ARR's life is his work was recognized all over India. ARR is still falling short....

enna sir pollatha Armstrong he just went to the moon, he was talked about all over the world, but still he cannot drive a car in the mount road...but for me, Mr.Pandiyan, my good old friend who was a driving 18A bus route is a better driver than armstrong,who could just fly appollo's....this my personal choice :)

btw: intha lively folk music na enna? :):) :)
From: Zain (@ 64.231.177.250) on: Fri May 31 15:01:54 EDT 2002

Uthaman, your first criteria, "number or movies he scores in a given period of time", is ruled out if you are to rank music directors on quality music.. heck, if number of movies is the criteria.. then surely, IR rules the 70's era, Deva rules the 90's and so on.. just because he (de)composed music for a 100 films, that makes him no better a director than a chap who, say, did 50.

Quality was always the key word Uthaman.. not quantity.

And about that bit on IR's diversity, if he was indeed as diverse as you claim him to be, its seems strange that the rest of India didn't quit catch on to IR's "diverse abilities in music"..
From: Zain (@ 64.231.177.250) on: Fri May 31 15:02:29 EDT 2002

Oops.. that was, quite* catch on..
From: Zain (@ 64.231.177.250) on: Fri May 31 15:05:20 EDT 2002

Oh and I nearly forgot.. what was that about ARR not being able to compose 'lively folk music' ? So how do you best describe the numbers for Lagaan ? "Dead reggae beats" ?! Is that it Uthaman ?
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.95) on: Sat Jun 1 04:15:32 EDT 2002

Uthaman
I guess you are quite new to this forum. Everything you have raised has been throughly discussed before.
Just spend some days going through the archives, and it will answer all your questions.

Whether you like it or not, whether you choose to bang your head on the wall... the fact remains that ARR is ruling TFM right now.

You can choose to argue till the cows come home, but nothing is going to change that.
From: curses (@ 203.199.248.185) on: Sat Jun 1 04:19:55 EDT 2002

ROTFL.. i thought u were an HCIRF!! ;)
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.95) on: Sat Jun 1 04:38:58 EDT 2002

Kozhuppu!
From: curses (@ 203.199.248.114) on: Sat Jun 1 11:50:06 EDT 2002

he he!
From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Jun 2 08:58:35 EDT 2002

There are many ways of ranking MDs.For the benefit of "Uthama Rasa" i have listed a few.

If there are just 7 of them around you can rank them as "Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ne ".If there are more numbers use quarter tones.So you can rank 22 musicians.The 17the century musicians in the court of Aurngazeb were ranked using this system.
(The Indian music History by Neelakanda Sastry page 43 Volume XXV)

You can rank then A B C or even a ,b,c but this has a limitation if the number of MDs are more than 26+26.However using an extended text field you can have AA,AB,AC ...AAA,AAB..etc.However in the early days of King George IV the latin alphabets were used.
(The music history -An analysis by Sir Paul Harrington. University of Wales 1904)

The simplest form of ranking is using 1,2,3 or First ,Second (Roman numerals are advised).Before the use of arabic/Indian numerals latin numerals was used.(Roman History - A musical purview by Rigardo Gucci Univeristy of Roma )
From: sirippu (@ 212.72.11.67) on: Sun Jun 2 09:53:41 EDT 2002

he he he
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.104) on: Sun Jun 2 13:19:49 EDT 2002

LOL!
From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Mon Jun 3 03:01:35 EDT 2002

ROFTL
//**

the fact remains that ARR is ruling TFM right now

**///

What a joke! I do not understand how you crack so spontaneous a joke! To quote Vivek as in "Tamizhan" "Thaanaa Varudhu!"

With flops like *, jodi,tenali etc, is he atleast in the field? please let me know that first!

At the rate of 1 good song / movie, if you call him a genius, then Deva is a genius, YSR is a genius; why leave out Sirpi or Bhararwaj, with the latter's "O! podu" being a massive hit.

The greatest achievement of ARR is retaining MR, Shankar and Rajni with him , despite his mediocre score for their films.

IMHO, uthaman is 100% correct .
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.140) on: Mon Jun 3 07:00:11 EDT 2002

Cheenu
You are the joker here.
Both Star and Thenali songs were chart topper for many weeks.

If you need one good song per movie, then IR cannot be called a geniius any more. :)

FYI, the movies may have flopped, but the music lives on.

You call India's top MD's creations medicore score?
I can only pity you.
From: Pradeep (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Thu Jun 6 02:51:00 EDT 2002

I completely agree with ROTFL
From: ASHOK (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Thu Jun 6 03:56:38 EDT 2002

ROTFL:
ARR is ruling TFM right now???????????????????
VERY FUNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
NICE JOKE.
From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Jun 6 06:04:00 EDT 2002

ROTFL,

No no, I think Osama Bin Ladin & Sadam Hussain are going to rule TFM, not ARR,

ha ha
From: Chennu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu Jun 6 06:37:26 EDT 2002

ROFTL,

//
Both Star and Thenali songs were chart topper for many weeks.
//
When did you start your own charts,ROFTL?
Please let me know where I can see these charts!

Right here in newtfmpage, did they top?

Anyhow with geniuses like Bharadwaj and Mani Sharma around, the genuis of ARR has taken a back seat.
From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Jun 6 06:51:10 EDT 2002

Cheenu;

Bharadwaj & mani sharma are Geniuses , come on :((
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.91) on: Thu Jun 6 07:59:51 EDT 2002

Ashok
Good that you found it funny.
You'd probably roll on the floor laughing, if I were to tell you that the Earth is round.

Raghu
That is sacrilegious!
SP Bala should and would be ruling TFM.
How dare you speak of another?

Cheenu
Seek and you shall find.
Songs such as Rasika and Injurungo have topped the charts, including at this very TFM page.
From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Thu Jun 6 12:26:02 EDT 2002

Infact both Star and Thenali topped Chikku Bukku program in vijay. Though, not to a longer period as compared to other ARR hits, nevertheless they topped.
STAR for a change was very welcomed by C areas. People who used to hear all gana and deva stuffs liked the rasiga song. But, from such people you can't actually say the worth of an album. But, what I have said is just FYI.
From: curses (@ 203.199.248.236) on: Thu Jun 6 13:08:55 EDT 2002

Raghu..
i'm really sorry to say this..
u r really asking for it!
From: boardsover (@ 202.9.181.181) on: Thu Jun 6 13:17:05 EDT 2002

is Raghu a HCSPBF???
From: magix (@ 203.199.248.236) on: Thu Jun 6 13:19:34 EDT 2002

Raghu - HCSPBF

understatement of the millenium!!
NOM Raghu.. u dont mind do u?? ;)
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.54) on: Fri Jun 7 06:35:02 EDT 2002

Check it out guys. Kannathil Muthamittaal is still at the top of many charts.
Eat your hearts out. ARR rulz.
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Fri Jun 7 06:40:45 EDT 2002

uh oh..
milennium spelling correct thaane?? :)
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Fri Jun 7 06:41:34 EDT 2002

oops..
millenium!! :8) (s'posed to be a blush!)
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.54) on: Fri Jun 7 06:47:31 EDT 2002

Why are you posting for the heck of it?
Appuram naanga post pannurathellaam ethukku? :)
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Fri Jun 7 06:51:17 EDT 2002

u urself understand that i'm posting for the heck of it..
flashback to noooooooooooooo.....

Nothin interestin goin on, man..

Naan bad posts na Ra... ennakku ethukku oor vambu! :)
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.54) on: Fri Jun 7 06:56:28 EDT 2002

Before you say anything you are going to regret, check out what I have posted just before your "reviving" posts. :
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.54) on: Fri Jun 7 06:57:17 EDT 2002

Oops sorry magix. Too late I realised you were not refering to me. :)
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Fri Jun 7 06:57:50 EDT 2002

???
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Fri Jun 7 06:58:52 EDT 2002

moonu question marx wastea pochu!! :)
From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Jun 7 07:05:49 EDT 2002

Magix;

Me no HCSPBF, but HCMF (Hard Core Music Fan), appa ennaku neraiya vellai irruku, enna vidunghappa :))
From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Fri Jun 7 07:10:30 EDT 2002

OK!! :)
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.54) on: Fri Jun 7 07:11:33 EDT 2002

I've got my quota of laughter for today. :)
From: boardsover (@ 202.9.180.235) on: Fri Jun 7 10:27:20 EDT 2002

millennium.......ithu correct-a??......orey confusion!!!

ok ok topic topic........ARR is on top.....then the rest ;)
From: curses (@ 203.199.248.30) on: Fri Jun 7 10:37:50 EDT 2002

Deva??
From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Fri Jun 7 11:34:14 EDT 2002

ARR is on top.....then the rest ;)...boardsover

boardsover, can we keep ARR's personal love life out of this forum? :)
From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.226) on: Fri Jun 7 12:06:54 EDT 2002

That's the spirit Tigger. :)

BTW, ungallukku angu enna velai? Peeping Tom-aa? :)
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.35) on: Fri Jun 7 12:39:51 EDT 2002

ada paavingala!
From: boardsover (@ 202.9.180.62) on: Fri Jun 7 13:13:13 EDT 2002

tigger......
that was just to stick(??) to the topic :)
From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Fri Jun 7 15:09:05 EDT 2002

..ada paavingala!...

dey! nee chinna payan, unakku puriyathu. Parimala, nee sollu..!
From: CM (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Fri Jun 7 18:11:58 EDT 2002

ROTFL:
Just because * and Thenali were on top of the charts it doesnt mean that ARR is a genius. What tops the chart depends on many factors, the competition at that time, marketing etc. A more objective comparison would be to take into account the creations when IR was at his peak and ARR of today.
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.63) on: Sat Jun 8 02:48:51 EDT 2002

CM
This is called circular reasoning.
Where in the world did I say ARR is a genius?
(pls note that I am neither saying that he is not one, dear ARR fans. :) )

If you care to follow the discussion, you would have realised that I was addressing Cheenu who had said that Star and Thenali were flops.

Your "objective comparison" is not one, because times have changed.
Furthermore different personalities behave differently - IR is happy accepting movies left, right, top, below & centre (barring a rare few).
ARR is nothing like that.
From: curses (@ 203.199.248.239) on: Sat Jun 8 03:36:57 EDT 2002

tigger..
ellam en neram thaan.
parimala vayai moodu. :)

bo:
u too brutus! :( :)
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.76) on: Sat Jun 8 05:06:32 EDT 2002

Is curses Caesar? :)
From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Sat Jun 8 05:26:26 EDT 2002

From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.140) on: Mon Jun 3 07:00:11 EDT 2002

Cheenu
You are the joker here.
Both Star and Thenali songs were chart topper for many weeks.
-- And you are the clown here. IR has done that many many times. Too many to name.

If you need one good song per movie, then IR cannot be called a geniius any more. :)
-- When a person is a genius, he is always a genius. It is irreversible.(village dogs will never be able comprehend that)

FYI, the movies may have flopped, but the music lives on.
-- Precisely. And in IR's case, it follows your soul.

You call India's top MD's creations medicore score? I can only pity you.
-- And I can only pity you to think he is India's Top MD.
From: curses (@ 203.199.231.27) on: Sun Jun 9 08:24:16 EDT 2002

i just cudnt resist.. i tried my best to ignore this!

You are the joker here.
Both Star and Thenali songs were chart topper for many weeks.
-- And you are the clown here. IR has done that many many times. Too many to name.

read the prev posts..

explanations to the rest r upto ROTFL!!!

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